Los Angeles Organization of Ultimate Teams

Rules

Rules: UPA 11th edition are in effect, with the following additions/modifications:

- No footblocks. A footblock is a foul. An attempted footblock is a violation, and the count goes back 2.

- Default on lights is game over when there’s one bank of lights left. But captains may decide IN ADVANCE to continue playing under one bank. Remember, we pay for only two banks of lights.

- One timeout per half plus one floater, no timeouts during overtime. Overtime occurs when the score is 14-14 or higher in Co-ed and 16-16 or higher in Men’s.

- You may substitute up to 2 players during a timeout.

- For Co-Ed Division, play is 4/3 or 3/4 offense chooses. If you bring fewer than 4 women, you must play 6 players if the other team chooses 3/4.

  • If you have only three men, you may play four women on defense if the offense chooses 4m/3f. Similarly, you may use a woman in place of a man on defense for any number of men you like. You could in theory go 0m/7f on defense against 4m/3f.
  • Injury substitutions: You may substitute a woman for an injured man, but you may not substitute a man for an injured woman. The opposing team, whether on offense OR defense, is not required to match the gender ratio mid-point.
  • For time-out substitions, you may not change the gender ratio mid-point. Men can only be substited for men. Women for women.

For Co-ed Division – Games to 15, win by 2, cap at 18. Mirror half at 8.

For Men’s Division – Games to 17, win by 2, cap at 20. Mirror half at 9.

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  1. Rules question:
    This scenario happened the other night in Forrest vs Indigo. Both teams only had 4 men. Indigo injures a Forrest player on an uncontested foul. The Forrest guy has to take a sub and is replaced by a lady (no available guy sub). Does Indigo have to match the gender now? And since they were savage and had no female subs, do they have to play a person down? After all, they were at fault for the injury.

    The game continued with Forrest scoring 3m/4f against 4m/3f, but I felt that they should’ve had to play a person down since they caused the injury. Any thoughts on changing gender ratios in midpoint?

    Tkaing it a step further… What if a team takes advantage of the substitute 2 players during a timeout rule and changes the gender ratio? Subsitituing a 1 guy for 1 girl, and thus going from 4/3 to 3/4. Does that mean the opposing team has to match? Offense chooses right?

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  2. Wow, these are good questions Chad. Okay, in the first scenario, where the injured male is replaced by a female, my ruling is Indigo would not have to match the gender ratio, even though they are technically at fault for causing the injury. Since the injury was not intentional (I’m assuming it was not intentional. I can’t imagine anyone intentionally injuring someone.) then it’s just bad luck for Forrest. And for the second scenario, the intention is that you sub gender for gender. But I realize I haven’t been very clear in the rules. I will add these rules:

    - If you have only three men, you may play four women on defense if the offense chooses 4m/3f. Similarly, you may use a woman in place of a man on defense for any number of men you like. You could in theory go 0m/7f on defense against 4m/3f.
    - Injury substitutions: You may substitute a woman for an injured man, but you may not substitute a man for an injured woman. The opposing team, whether on offense OR defense, is not required to match the gender ratio mid-point.
    - For time-out substitions, you may not change the gender ratio mid-point. Men can only be substited for men. Women for women.

    Does this cover every scenario?

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  3. I doubt it covers every scenario, but that’s why we have so many rules in ultimate and in life. And the more to remember, the more I like it!

    Anyway, for the injury scenario I respectfully disagree. Why should it be “bad luck Forrest” when it could just as easily be “back luck Indigo”? After all, it is already bad luck Forrest because our player just got injured on a dangerous play, and now we have to play a man down or potentially a person down if we were savage? If it was a sprained ankle or something not caused by the opposing team then I would agree because of Rule VI.C.4. “If the injured player does not leave the game after an injury time-out, that player’s team is charged with a team time-out UNLESS THE INJURY WAS CAUSED BY AN OPPOSING PLAYER. If the team being charged with the time-out is also the team in possession and has no time-outs remaining, it is a turnover.” If you are just stopping play for being a wuss then bad luck for your team, but the rules have this clause to make up for the fact that one team hurt the other. I believe your rule makes it double bad luck Forrest. My rationale at the time was that Indigo could stay 4/3 because we started the point 4/3, but since then I have changed my mind because the opposing team’s infraction (regardless of intent) could’ve created an advantage for them.

    There is probably an argument to sub a man for a woman on injuries and timeouts as long as both captains agree to change the ratio (woman gets injured and her defender is really tired/also injured and all the subs that are left for both teams are men). Instead of both teams playing with 6, they should be allowed to go 4/3 if they were originally 3/4; however, a swap to make it 5/2 tends to make it less fun for the ladies. The captains should always try to use good judgement for all these shades of gray and the matching team should not be forced to match gender or be put at a disadvantage due to a man/woman swap.

    If all else fails, there’s always the Captain’s Clause…

    1.C. Captain’s Clause: A game may be played under any variation of the rules agreed upon by the captains of the teams involved. In tournament play, variations are subject to approval by the event organizer. Such things as game length, field dimensions, number of players and stall count can easily be altered to suit the level of play. Before a game starts, each team designates one captain to represent them in disagreements and arbitration.

    And if you have ever played one of my teams when it is wet, you know my favorite rule to add is double points for layout scores in mud puddles.

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  4. I absolutely believe that Captain’s can agree to a rule change if they want.

    After thinking about this a lot at lunch, I’m going to stick with the rule changes from my previous post. I understand USAU may have some injury-related rules, but I really don’t want to have Summer League teams get into a discussion about who’s at fault for an injury, even if it seems clear. Most cases aren’t clear who “caused” the injury. So the rule will be that the injured team may sub a woman for an injured man, but the other team does not have to match the new gender ratio.
    And for substitutions, although I can see the benefit to changing the gender ratio mid-point in a time-out, I don’t want to include any rule that requires the opposing team to have a sub a player if they don’t want to.

    Good discussion for a Monday.

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  5. Sounds good. I just wanted to see what others thought on the matter. Glad to have an offical rule now. =)

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